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[MarkB]

Hi all,

I'm off from work this week and decided to take another flight, I've been looking through the list of flights and with the exception of Feeder routes 99% of the flights are to a sea plane base.

Although I realise that there are a number of them in this region (especially the cabins) wouldn't it provide a little variety for people if there where some which didn't require a float plane?

Best Regards

Mark

[Pete C]

Mark,

Flight routes are an ongoing process. When I set the site up, I concentrated on Hunting/Fishing flights to the lake cabins, with the intention of getting the site operational.. and then expanding the flight database.

Unfortunately, I've since been sidetracked by other issues, but I've recently started putting the scenery together for the 'Icefield contract' ( 2 out of 9 completed so far)and I hope to have those published within the next week to 10 days (I'm currently in the middle of a 12 hr day shift cycle, so am limited to what I can do).

[MarkB]

I look forward to the Icefield ones, my ski Twotter will come in handy!

Thanks for the work you're putting in, it's appreciated! ;)

Best Regards

Mark

[Retired Misty Pilot]

Mark I can have a look at doing a couple of landing strips, but we don't, I think, want to go down the fictious route.
So if you could give me a couple of locations then I'll see what I can do, they will however be for FSX ONLY.

Richard

[Pete C]

we don't, I think, want to go down the fictious route.

I agree with that comment, Definately not an option.

Richard, If you can give me a day or so, I (or anybody else that has them) can look at Olgars Misty/Tongass/Glacier Bay FS9 addons, and see what there is on there. If they aren't included in FSX, then perhaps if you don't mind we can take you up on the offer. They can then be flown with either sim.

[MarkB]

I agree, I'm not proposing we add fictious land base strips just for the hell of it but are there only sea bases about? I'll take a look and see if I can find any land based ones and then they could be considered for inclusion on future mail/supply runs?

Cheers

Mark

[MarkB]

OK, found a few land based strips about. This was just a quick search mind you so I can't give any details (some might be in flight already, I haven't checked):

Mule Creek (you're not bush flying if you're not going to a place with 'creek' in the title imho ;) )

Haines (also a sea base there too)

Muddy Lake (not actually a lake), looks interesting, mountains all around

Snettisham (looks short)

Pelican (tarmac!)

There seems a few, I'm not going to list them all, it seems a pointless exercise. If anyone needs any more searching out then shout and I'll post them up!

Cheers

Mark

[eyelleye]

Tundra tires and a gravel beach (we have lots) and you're set! =)

Seriously though, there's a number of land based strips out here. If you want to stick to just asphalt, off the top of my head: Ketchikan, Wrangle, Petersburg, Sitka, Juneau, Gustdavis, Hoonah, Haines, Skagway (actually not 100% sure its tarmac). Kake has a dirt strip I believe, as does Excursion Inlet. I wasn't aware that Pelican had a runway other than water... but it's been years since I've been there.

Anyway, lots of opportunity for land to land flights... which is good as I'm stuck with a Piper Dakota for a bit until I can afford to upgrade in FSE.

~ Nick

[Retired Misty Pilot]

I'm on the case.

[Retired Misty Pilot]

OK I've hit a stumbling block already.
I have tried to find Mule Creek using both Virtual Earth and Google Earth with not a lot of success.
However I did find some co-ords and have gone to 65 54.48N 145 11.80W in FSX and I think this may be the place.

NOW so we don't have any ah! disagreements in the future over where landing strips should be could someone help me find the c-ords of where places, as per MarkB's list should be should be.
It is better to use an image in ADE but if I can't find one then I/we shall have to use "modellers licence" in creating the landing strips.
Using modellers licence is ok PROVIDING the location is accurate.

I will of course need the runway/strip orientation

Any help gratefully appreciated.

[MarkB]

Mule Creek

Here's the airport in FSX
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/mule_fsx.jpg

And in Google Maps
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/mule_google.jpg

I think the red circle is where the gravel strip is, the other side of the road from where FSX has it. No real information other than that sorry.

There is a FS9 video on Yutube where the pilot fly's over/past Mule Creek (apparently).
YouTube - Westwood Inn Online (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c2O9pGOhXY)

Muddy Lake
In FSX
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/muddy_fsx.jpg

And Google
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/muddy_google.jpg

Snettisham

FSX
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/snet_fsx.jpg

Google Maps
http://www.markbrad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/images/airports/snet_google.jpg

Some other info
http://www.pilotoutlook.com/airport/ALASKA/7AK2
http://skyvector.com/airport/7AK2/Snettisham-Airport

[MarkB]

BTW, these where just sirports I found with land based strips as an example. If anyone finds more suitable, better researchable ones then cool. I was only seeing if there where land based airports in the area thats all ;) If any suggested look too difficult or lack any require information just skip them!

EG
Bronson Creek Canada
http://www.ourairports.com/airports/CAB5/

Haines Airport
http://www.ourairports.com/airports/PAHN/

Skagway Airport
http://www.ourairports.com/airports/PAGY/

Klawock Airport
http://www.ourairports.com/airports/PAKW/

[Retired Misty Pilot]

Hi Mark, how ya doin'

We need to be careful as the Mule Creek you show is in fact in BC and not Alaska.
Likewise Muddy creek




R

[MarkB]

Correct, I think it's better we forget all this ever happened and I'll buy an Amphibian aircraft ;)

[Retired Misty Pilot]

No. I think it a good idea to have some landing strips as well as float plane locations as it will add some variation into the flights or different flights.

What you could do is use your research knowledge to track down all information that you can on landing strips in Alaska and then we can go from there.

I too have had trouble getting both Virtual and Google Earths to go to the correct places in Alaska, they keep going to well anywhere but.

If you go to the lats and longs I gave for Mule then you will see that this MAY be the location I got these co-ords after googling "Mule Creek".

Don't give up just yet.

R

[Retired Misty Pilot]

Mark goto here and see what you make of this.

Also Pete and anyone else interested in landing strips.

Let me know what you think??

http://www.avn.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_afd

[eyelleye]

That's pretty cool.

There's also: http://www.airnav.com/airports/us/AK. I use that a lot of the time and pull it up on the 2nd PC when I'm flying.

[MarkB]

EDIT: Richard, I've looked at the site and it says No Data This Cycle for Alaska :(

I've installed the Snow Dog Tours since so some have been populated by that (SDT), but if you see the first one for example it's only a few building and in the wrong position:

Google Map of all airfields (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=106848462290604953225.000464641cff8f56fe2d9&z=15)

Airport: Icy Bay
ICAO Id: 19AK
Location: N59° 58' 8.468", W141° 39' 42.373"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/19AK

Airport: Harlequin Lake
ICAO Id: A67
Location: N59° 24' 51.980", W139° 1' 30.177"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/A67

Akhiok http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAKH (might be pushing it for 'panhandle')

Airport: Wrangell
ICAO Id: PAWG
Location: N56° 29' 3.570", W132° 22' 11.369"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAWG

Airport: Klawock
ICAO Id: PAKW
Location: N55° 34' 45.240", W133° 4' 33.590"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAKW

Airport: Annette Island
ICAO Id: PANT
Location: N55° 2' 32.769", W131° 34' 20.039"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PANT

Airport: Kake
ICAO Id: PAFE
Location: N56° 57' 40.911", W133° 54' 36.939"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAFE

Airport: Snettisham
ICAO Id: 7AK2
Location: N58° 8' 3.825", W133° 43' 46.247"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/7AK2

Airport: Tanis Mesa
ICAO Id: A69
Location: N59° 14' 52.951", W138° 30' 13.213"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/A69

Airport: East Alsek River
ICAO Id: AK76
Location: N59° 7' 33.940", W138° 24' 24.279"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/AK76

Airport: Gustavus
ICAO Id: PAGS
Location: N58° 25' 30.970", W135° 42' 26.680"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAGS

Airport: Haines
ICAO Id: PAHN
Location: N59° 14' 37.779", W135° 31' 24.739"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAHN

Airport: Hoonah
ICAO Id: PAOH
Location: N58° 5' 45.930", W135° 24' 34.909"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PAOH

Airport: Dangerous River
ICAO Id: A70
Location: N59° 24' 45.974", W139° 11' 38.139"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/A70

Airport: Yakataga
ICAO Id: PACY
Location: N60° 4' 55.250", W142° 29' 36.550"
http://www.airnav.com/airport/PACY

[eyelleye]

Mark, I got that error message too, but if you wait for the whole thing to load, then it finds it. Not exactly sure what they're doing with that page to cause that (seems like a bad design to me... esp when two of us did the exact same thing)... but, like I said, if you wait for it to fully load the page, then you can find the AK sites.

[MarkB]

No worries, I grabbed the data (see above, edited post) via another route. I think thats every land based in the area (minus the hubs we already have).

[Pete C]

Richard,

Have a look through the Misty/Tongass/Glacier Bay manuals I sent you the other week, I'm sure they list a number of 'bush' airstrips that are included in those sceneries.

From that I suggest, as a start at least, that a check is made to see if they are included in FSX. If a basic 'strip' is found, then it could be enhanced. If it's not included in FSX, then perhaps a complete scenery for that particular strip could be put together.

If names are just 'pulled from the hat' so to speak, it's possible that we might end up with a strip being produced for FSX, which isn't in FS9, and that defeats the object.

With regard to strips in Canada, no problem. The clubs motto is 'We Fly The Panhandle', but one or two border incursions are OK. At least two of the Icefield strips I'm putting together are a couple of miles into Canada.

As I say, the main thing at the moment is that if possible, any scenery that is put together for FSX can also be found in FS9, and vice versa

[rwoodbc50]

On the issue of airstrips, maybe, I can help. There are 8 "dry" airports in British Columbia that are included in the Misty Fjords, Tongass Fjords and Glacier Bay scenery that could be included for charter flights. These are in FS9, don't know about FSX.
Us Canadians would allow you to land there but of course there would be "Customs" checks. ;D

Aerodromes: CZST, CYPR, CBS4, CFA4, CYSQ, CAB5, CAB6, CBM5.

Water Aerodromes: CAC3, CAC9, CAN6, CAN8, CBA3, CZSW, CAH9.

[eyelleye]

Ya might be able to land there, however they just might not letcha leave... Then again, I think they only tend to do that to AK State ferries, so perhaps we'd be ok flying in and out. ;D

[Retired Misty Pilot]

CZST, CYPR, CAC3, CAC9, CAN6, CAN8, CBA3, CZS1,
CZSW, CBS4, CFA4, CYSQ, CAB5, CAB6, CAH9, CBM5

Well I make 8 out of these that are not in FSX so will try and track them down